Wednesday, December 06, 2006

time constrained aaroblogging

Sorry, time constrained. This week, Dave does Iraq, in classic "and another thing" style. Lots of quite slippery stuff here, but no real time to unpack and watch it (the same is true of his piece on Baroness Tonge, who is an apologist for people who blow up nightclubs and thus not the sort of person who is ever going to be on the same side as AW, even if he does fill the piece with a lot of nudge-nudge innuendo at other targets). So just one analogy to the question "How many deaths is the right to vote worth?"

How many apples is an orange worth? Roughly, one. I think we can all agree on that.

How many apples is an orange worth, if you have no realistic fucking chance of getting the orange?


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nick's Sunday Observer piece is worth a Watch, if any of you have a minute. The gist is that he agrees with the Christians that Muslims are a threat to civilisation, but disagrees that we should counter this by becoming more Christian.

12/06/2006 11:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some of the Comments are much better written than Dave's original piece. Even the Comments that are generally supportive of Dave are clearer than Dave's writing, but a couple of the Comments that criticise him are good pieces of writing. It makes you wonder about the criteria for being a Times columnist.

Like many people who were brought up in a CP family, Dave seems to have never got over it. He thus discusses Iraq by referring back to the CP. This may be comforting to some readers of the Times (who want their prejudices to be confirmed), but is a huge logical leap. It would seem that Dave's reaction to his CP upbringing has led to an obsessions with voting even when a lack of institutions and structures makes it meaningless or dangerous.

12/07/2006 11:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was tempted to write a Watch here, but there are so many logical leaps, fallacies and evasions that it would take half the day. Slippery doesn't begin to cover it.

BTW, I liked Dave's reference to cold warriors supporting Franco as the lesser evil. Has he read Kamm's little book? His big mate Ollie actually does retrospectively endorse the Generalissimo. I also predict that Nick's book denouncing the appeasers of fascism will thank Ollie for his insights without mentioning this little lapse.

And I don't think it's a specifically CP background - I have a bit of that myself. But then Eurocommunism never reached Ireland, and those of us who had tankie Stalinism to get over don't seem to be as badly affected as those who were Euros - in any case the YCL of Dave's day was far to the right of the LPYS.

12/07/2006 12:52:00 PM  

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